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30 Minutes to President's Club | No-Nonsense Sales

Author: Nick Cegelski & Armand Farrokh

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The #1 sales podcast in the world, fueled by hyper-actionable sales tactics from the top 1% sellers at companies like Salesforce, Gong, Outreach, Slack, LinkedIn, Keller Williams, Northwestern Mutual.


30 Minutes to President's Club cuts all the BS, fluffy mindset stories, and sales academia to give you the most actionable sales tactics that get you to President's Club. Every episode is a supercharged 30 minutes where you'll hear step-by-step breakdowns in every key dimension of sales, including:


  • Prospecting: How to open conversations to triple your pipeline

  • Discovery: How to ask questions that uncover massive pain

  • Process: How to get big contracts over the line

  • Leadership: How to hire and train world class teams.


Your founding hosts are Nick Cegelski (3x top enterprise seller) and Armand Farrokh (VP of Sales at 29, ex-Pave, ex-Carta) joined by co-hosts Jen Allen-Knuth (ex-Challenger, ex-Lavender) and Mark Kosoglow (CRO @ Catalyst, ex-Outreach). 


Whether you're seller listening to the (SELL) show or leader tuning into the (LEAD) show…


Get ready, you're going to President's Club.

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FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Use the 80/20 principle - if someone hasn’t picked up within 5 calls, start expanding your efforts in the other channels. Prioritize direct dials & operations (their job is to transfer you). Avoid gatekeepers when possible. Document your channel validation. For phones: direct vs operator, validated vs not validated, etc. Focus on the tone/pace of your opener vs the words themselves. Then preface with the intent of your call to lower their guard. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Student of Sales, Principal @ Reisert Consulting Director, Paid Media + Audience @ Sprinklr VP Sales @ Booshaka, Inc. (Acquired by Sprinklr) RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS When working with reps and trying to help them improve, work backwards from what you want to the prospect to say then build what they need to do to get them to say that Coach forward vs. backwards, coach to prepare so that future performance will be better and they feel more prepared for actual scenarios approaching Have each one "What Great Looks Like" exercise per manager per quarter, pick one metric, find the rep who is the best at that, then diagnose the different behaviours they exhibit to adopt across the rest of your team Use the "Four Ds" to roll out WGLL across your team - define what good looks like, document it, demonstrate it with training, and deliberately practice it by scoring reps performing the new tactics on calls PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB SVP of Sales and Partnerships @ Bench Accounting Practice Lead, Revenue Leadership @ Winning by Design VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop Inc. Head of Sales Enablement & Development @ ServiceTitan VP of Sales @ SnackNation RESOURCES DISCUSSED Read: Join our weekly newsletter Steal: Templates, drips, scripts Watch: How to get an accurate picture of your team's pipeline ft. KD Listen: How to build a winning sales team ft. KD KD's past episodes: Build a Winning Sales Team Discovery Part 1 Discovery Part 2 Getting Prospects to Agree to Their Problem
FOUR ACTIONABLE SALES TAKEAWAYS Avoid interrogating the prospect with surface level questions, use vertical questions to get deeper and give meaning to your questions Try to avoid putting words into your prospect's mouth or leading them with stereotypical sales questions that make them feel trapped Aim to uncover the prospect's situation, problems, and impacts with questions like "Why did you take the call?", " Recap what you've learned and give back by sharing a story or a very short "harbour tour demo" RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Early access to The Book on Cold Calling
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Ask your inbound leads what prompted them to take the call. Start your calls with outbound leads by calling out that they might not know what you do and explaining the problems you solve. Then make the transition into discovery.  Categorize buyers’ answers into problem language or solutions language. Buyers often answer “problem” questions with solutions, so ensure you get the problem language. Avoid discovery fatigue with a mix of emotionally intelligent techniques. (Examples: quick customer stories, summarizing, questions) PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Co-Founder & CEO @ Stealth Startup Director of Sales & Go-To-Market @ Gong Co-Founder & CEO @ Conversature Regional Sales Manager - New Business @ InsideSales.com  RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Do a bi-weekly "pipe squeeze" (pipeline review) with each rep share your screen and take notes as you go to save time & maintain control Discounts drive velocity, when a deal has stalled or there is no next step, use a manager email to see if a pricing incentive will move the close date Ask the same 5 questions in deal review - Deal size, deal close date, buyer buy in, next step, and any incentives on the deal. Send the update to your leader for upward transparency Only have reps forecast deals in pipeline for the month then run the historical math to see what may change both positive or negative PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB COO @ Growth Assistant VP of Sales @ Lattice Sales Director @ Lattice VP of Sales @ Appcues RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE SALES TAKEAWAYS Recognize your SE and team members who help you on deals & onsites Call each attendee after a meeting to thank them for their time and ask them for their feedback When pitching an onsite be prescriptive about what's in it for your champion and close with "Do you think your team would be open to something like that" as a softer ask Send a multiple choice pre-meeting survey to each of a meeting's attendees to ask questions about the client's current state PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Commercial Sales Manager @ Procore Account Executive, Enterprise @ Procore Account Executive, Majors @ Procore Account Executive, Mid-Market @ Procore RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Don’t let the fear of breaking rapport prevent you from asking for the next step. Answer the yes-or-no questions and SHUT UP! Figure out their vision through discovery, then tell the story of their business in terms of how other world class teams use you to achieve it. Turn the CEO's team into your champions to get the inside scoop on everything about them beforehand. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB CEO & Founder @ ZoomInfo CEO & Co-founder @ DiscoverOrg Adjunct Professor @ Washington State University RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
Top performers deal with buyer hesitancy just like everyone else. Their secret to driving deals forward? A simple framework for handling indecision. In this show, Matt Dixon and Jen Allen-Knuth will teach you how to use this game changing framework (called the JOLT effect) to move even the most hesitant buyers forward… No matter where they are in your sales cycle. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Sign up for more live sessions like this one Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Shadowing to remind yourself and your reps of the basics to spot opportunity areas Setting a goal without a "how" is not a real goal, you have to understand how a rep is going to reach the goal while setting them Always level with reps before you shadow a call to clarify the role they want you to play on the call & tell them what you hope Use "Mr.Potato Head" personalization to ramp reps from generic persona based personalizaiton, to trigger based personalization, to full email personalization PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Head of Sales @ Pulley Senior Manager, New Business Sales @ Lattice Director of Sales Development @ Lattice Head of Sales Development @ Lattice RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS When responding to another parties asks in a negotiation, co-create the solution with them rather than going away and making a new offer to ensure they feel like it was a collaborative exercise When prospects do things you like, label their actions positively to give them affirmations and encourage further positive actions When aligning on a solution that works don't agree too quickly because the prospect will think they could've gotten a better deal, use a label like "Seems like that would be a good deal for you..." Use the "Late Night DJ" voice to draw lines without having to say "no" or confront your buyers RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Chris' Newsletter "The Edge"
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Before agreeing to a give, ask what they’re willing to bring to the table. Map out every step of the process to the signature with actions, owners, and dates. Send a recap to the buyer of where they are in the journey after every discovery call. Prime your champion with the nuances of your product / MSA and be ready to jump on a call to hash out the details. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Director, Enterprise Sales @ Drift Former VP Sales @ Altocloud | Acquired by Genesys Former Direct, Sales @ SmartBear RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Ask your reps to think about the "first win" they can make with a large account Look for "Alumni" who have recently left key accounts who might be able to make introductions or provide information for your reps to use Have your reps record "Last Activity" and "Next Meeting" on their opportunities so you can quickly scan through your dashboard and see which deals are at risk and need more attention If your team have opportunities with next steps far into the future ask "did the rep follow up and did they get a response?" if the answer is no more work is needed PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Director of Enterprise Sales, National @ Outreach Enterprise Sales Director, East @ Outreach Strategic Account Executive @ Outreach Territory Sales Executive @ Sitecore RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Condition your prospect for future interactions by giving them time back in their calendar & leaving them on a positive note Do not talk to people when they are distracted, Labelling someone's emotion builds trust and gets them to tell you more information for example "It seems like the value isn't there for you" If someone is asking for an unreasonable discount get them to think about the potential implication of fit by saying "How are we supposed to deliver {value} while lowering our price?" RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Chris' Newsletter "The Edge"
Four Actionable Takeaways:  Ask educated impact q’s like: “Besides X, Y, Z, what else happens because of A?”. Lean on humbling disclaimers before asking the tough questions.  Bring the future to the present: let’s pretend you love what you see...what happens next? Disco flow: High level context > raise issues > identify key issue > get a story > impact questions > recap and playback. Charles’ Path to President’s Club:  Sr Biz Dev Training Manager at CB Insights Founder at SalesShare RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Do a "headhunting drill" and have your new reps call your own executive team SDRs should have 300-400 prospects in sequence Test your rep's call from numbers to be sure they aren't being marked as "spam likely" Sit next to reps with slow workflows to observe what's slowing them down PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Consultant @ Agoge Prospecting School Director of Sales Development @ Vercel Senior Manager of Sales Development @ Outreach SDR Team Lead @ Outreach RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Agoge Sequence
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Find your prospect's birthday and then add them to your calendar to send thoughtful notes If a competitor is faltering run a list report of all their customers and prospect them If doing in-person office visits bring a gift to break the ice and leave a memorable impressions If you missed something on a meeting, don't wait until the next meeting, just give the buyer a call on their mobile phone and ask (don't make it awkward) PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Senior Mid-Market Account Executive @ Motive Senior Commercial Account Executive @ Motive Commercial Account Executive @ Motive Sales Consultant & Benefits Advisor @ First Mainstreet Account Executive @ Procore Technologies RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Use typically language and stories to gain credibility with your prospect, leading to deeper discovery. Ask your champion how they plan on justifying a purchase to the larger org. This aligns you to business level problems and also serves as champion validation.  Mirror multithreading in the sales cycle. Bring a VP for a CXO. Bring an SE for a technical buyer. Bring in product for someone cross-functional. Leverage your own senior leaders to story-tell and pull in the people at power during the demo. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ Pave Healthcare & Life Science Account Executive @ Carta Client Strategist @ PwC RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Designate specific people to cover very specific topics in the interview process so they can get really good at those core competencies. Leave the generic questions to another company. When you got them hooked, talk them out of it. If you can talk them out of it, they wouldn’t have worked out anyway. Sell early, grill after. Get someone to opt in by selling them on your goals and your mission. Then, gain their respect by grilling the heck out of them. Each step in the process should test for different dimensions of sales and should be handled by different people with that expertise. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS If you feel like you have leverage in a deal, but haven't gotten in front of the right stakeholders to progress the deal, use that as a non-negotiable to begin negotiations Sit down and write down your own "Gives" and "Gets" that you can trade with your buyer during a sales cycle Someone liking your offering does not make them an effective champion, ask questions like "Is {title} aware of these conversations?" to test them When trying to get access to power use labelling statements like "I often hear {title} likes to weigh in, is that the same for you?" PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ SafeGraph Account Executive @ Procore Technologies RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Start with a menu of pain: the 3 biggest problems that any given persona can face. Once you align on the problem, ask, “What’s prompting that need?”. You can start talking about solutions once you have an executive-level problem (e.g. down round, churn problem). Use individual contributors, like AEs, for inside intel on the organization. Then use their quotes on 1-2 slides when meeting with VP or CXO. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ UserGems Enterprise+ Account Executive @ Outreach Enterprise Accounts, Financial Services @ Tableau Software Strategic Accounts @ PowerSchool RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
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Comments (3)

SatWiz

some golden nuggets lie here...

Jul 31st
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SatWiz

Amazing insights & structured Q's, you will also love the show!

Jul 28th
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Ronnie Walker

Great podcast

Oct 17th
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